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Hi,
I admire Spong and the concept of progressive christianity. The real meaning of Jesus' teachings has purified my soul,namely humanity.
But i'm still confused about how i can differenciate between the messages from the NT writers and Jesus.
For example,did the writers lie or exaggerate about the miracles and resurrection, things like that?
or did they just create a figure like Jesus to make a new religion? What do you guys think?

 
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written by Cathi,
Hi Mosaic. The NT writers were using a literary style of writing called midrash. You might wish to read some of Dom Crossan's works to learn about
how writers of this era tried to relate their experiences of the divine and to convey truth. Have a look at the following explanation of midrash from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash

Most (not all) of the NT writers were jewish and remained jewish but with new christian understandings.
After the fall of the temple in 70 CE, the more orthodox jews and the newer sect of christian jews were increasingly at odds.
Eventually they completely separated - especially as the movement grew and attracted a number of gentiles (non-jews).
We can see the struggles that the early communities experienced in the writings of the Acts of the Apostles and obviously in the anti-Semitic ideas presented in some of the gospels.

Your question may also be if Jesus is an archetypal character. I do not believe that Jesus is archetypal however certainly the Christ figure is.
The Christ is the hero - although in this case not the normal hero. He was a nobody - that is what made it so different.
A nobody was claimed as divine by his friends. It was a transformational belief and not one that was expected as Messiah.

Thanks for your questions. Hopefully we can get some additional responses.

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598 Religionless Christianity (12) Mosaic 6932 03-19
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596 ¼¼±â¿¬ÀÇ ½Å¿¡ ´ëÇÑ Çؼ®Àº? (17) Mosaic 7243 03-18
595 °£´ÜÇÑ ±×¸²À¸·Î º» ¼­¾çÀΰú µ¿¾çÀÎÀÇ »ýÈ°¹æ½Ä Â÷ÀÌÁ¡ (7) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 8330 03-17
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590 [TED °­¿¬] ¾î´À ¼º°øȸ »çÁ¦(Tom Honey)ÀÇ °í¹é (9) °í°ñÅ×½º 7851 03-13
589 Ç¥ÁØ»õ¹ø¿ª ¼º°æ¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ºñÆÇ[Æß]Àε¥, ´Ù¸¥ Çؼ®À̳ª ¿À·ù°¡ ÀÖ´Ù¸é Àâ¾ÆÁÖ½Ç ¼ö ÀÖ´Ù¸é ºÎŹµå¡¦ (4) »ç¶û¹ý 10078 03-11
588 ´ëµ¿¹®È­¼¾ÅͼҽÄÁö-Áø½ÇÀǼҸ®3È£-¼º°æÀǸð¼ø°ú¿À·ù(3)-¼º°æÀº¿ª»ç½ÅÈ­´Ù (2) ÇѼÖÀÌ 5474 03-09
587 'sbs¿Í ¿¹¼ö´Â ½ÅÈ­´Ù' ¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ÇãÈ£ÀÍ ±³¼öÀÇ ¹Ý¹Ú±Û¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ÁöÁö- ȤÀº º¸Ãæ¼³¸í. (2) È÷½ºÅ丮 10308 03-08
586 ·ù»óÅ´Բ² µå¸®´Â ±Û-Á×Àº ½Å, Á×Àº ¿¹¼ö¸¦ ºÙÀâ°í ÀÖ´Â ±×´ë¿¡°Ô (11) ÇѼÖÀÌ 6971 03-07
585 Á¾±³¿Í »çȸÀû ¾à¼Ó (4) »ý¸í¾¾¾Ñ 6617 03-07
584 21¼¼±â¿¡µµ Á¾±³´Â ²À ÇÊ¿äÇÑ°¡? (8) Mosaic 8650 03-06
583 ±è±âµ¿ ¼º¶ô±³È¸ ÇÇÇØÀÚ ¼ö±â (2) hosanna 7051 03-05
582 Çѱ۷Π½±°Ô Ǭ <´ëÇѵ¶¸³¼±¾ð¼­> ÇѼÖÀÌ 4931 03-04
581 [ÆÛ³¯¶óÁֽʽÿä!] MBC ³ëÁ¶°¡ Àü¼¼°è¿¡ ÀüÇÏ´Â UCC (1) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 5041 03-03
580 ¸ðÀÚ잌ÀÌ ÀÌ·± ÃÊÂ¥ Áú¹®À» °í¼ö¿¡°Ô Çß´õ´Ï... (10) Mosaic 6843 03-02
579 ½Å±æµ¿ ¼º¶ô±³È¸ 1200¾ï¿ø´ëÀÇ ¿¹¹è´ç °ÇÃàÀÇ Áø½Ç (6) hosanna 22272 02-28
578 ¿À·ù (24) Mosaic 9007 02-28
577 Á¦°¡ È¥ÀÚ À̸® ³î¾Æµµ ¿ë¼­µÈ´Ù¸é ¸¶Å©½º º¸±×ÀÇ ¸»À» ¿Ã·Áº¾´Ï´Ù. (2) Mosaic 6663 02-25
576 Àü ¾Æ¹«¸® »ý°¢Çصµ È­ÀÌÆ®Çìµå´Â... (15) Mosaic 8885 02-24
575 Spong °¡¶ó»ç´ë.. (4) Mosaic 6874 02-23
574 Àо¶ó½Ã´ø ±¸¾àÀÇ ¹ýÁ¤½ÅÀ» Àоú´Âµ¥¿ä. (9) Mosaic 8998 02-22
573 ½ÅÀÌ Çй®À¸·Î ¿¬±¸°¡ µÇ´Â ´ë»óÀԴϱî? (3) Mosaic 5507 02-21
572 ¼º°æÀ» ¹®ÀÚ ±×´ë·Î Çؼ®¸»¶ó´Â°Ç ÁÁÀº ¹æ¹ýÀϱî? (3) Mosaic 8270 02-21
571 ³²¼ºÆí·Â & ¿©¼ºÆí·Â (2) û¸¶ 7482 02-21
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569 " ¹Ì·¡¿¡¼­ ¿Â ±âµ¶±³" (3) û¸¶ 8071 02-16
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567 ½ÅÀÇ Á¸À縦 ¾î¶»°Ô È®½ÅÇÒ ¼ö ÀÖÀ»±î¿ä? (3) meteoros 8261 02-13
566 ¾î´À À¯¸í À¥ºí·Î±× »çÀÌÆ®¿¡ '¼¼±â¿¬'¿¡ ´ëÇØ ½á ³õÀº ±Û.. ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 45168 02-12
565 ±³È¸¸¦ ¶°³­ ºÐµéÀ» À§ÇÑ ÀÎÅÍ³Ý ´ÙÀ½Ä«Æä..... (1) ÀºÇ೪¹« 5129 02-08
564 °³Á¾±³À°¸ñ»ç, ´ë¹ý¿ø ÆÇ°á¹ú±Ý ÈÄ¿ø¸ð±Ý ¹ú¿© È­ÀÌÆ® 4926 02-06
563 Çѱ¹È­ÀÌÆ®ÇìµåöÇÐÇÐȸ 2009 °Ü¿ï ÄÝ·ÎÅ°¿È ¾È³» ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 5616 02-06
562 ÀÌÁ¦ Àִ°Í-¿¾Àû¿¡ ÀÖ¾ú°í (2) Á¤°ü 5253 02-05
561 (Æß)¸í¹Úµµ¸¦ ¾Æ½Ê´Ï±î? (2) »ê¼öÀ¯ 4739 02-01
560 "Àüö¿¬"Àº ¿ÜºÎ¼¼·Â, ¿ë¿ªÀº ³»ºÎ¼¼·Â ¸Â´Ù (±è¹Î¿õ) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 4829 01-27
559 ÁÖ ³ÊÀÇ Çϳª´Ô²² °æ¹èÇÏ°í ´Ù¸¸ ±×¸¦ ¼¶±â¶ó »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 6289 01-26
558 °³Çõ±Ùº»ÁÖÀǰųª ¶Ç ´Ù¸¥ ÇüÅÂ¿Í À̸§ÀÇ Æø·ÂÀ̶󱸿ä? (2) ¾ç±ØÈ­ÇØ¼Ò 5972 01-25
557 ¿¹¼ö¿Í ¹¬ÀÚ¿¡ ´ëÇؼ­ Á» ºñ±³Çغ¸´Ï (4) °Å½Ã±â 5912 01-23
556 ÁÖ ³ÊÀÇ Çϳª´ÔÀ» ½ÃÇèÄ¡ ¸»¶ó (1) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 6223 01-19
555 °­Á¦ °³Á¾±³À°ÇÇÇØÀÚ¿¬´ë, ÇѱâÃÑ ¾Õ¿¡¼­ ´ë±Ô¸ð ½ÃÀ§!! (3) È­ÀÌÆ® 6127 01-18
554 ±âµµ°¡ ÇØ°áÇØÁشٰí? ¹Ùº¸¾ß, ¹®Á¦´Â Á¤Ä¡¾ß! Ä¡³ë 5858 01-15
553 <³ª, ¹ö¸± °ÍÀΰ¡ ãÀ» °ÍÀΰ¡>¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ¹æ¼Û ÀÏÁ¤ Á¤º¸ ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 7428 01-15
552 Á¤Çâ (23) Á¤°ü 7338 01-15
551 ±æ (7) °Å½Ã±â 5413 01-14
550 ÆÈ·¹½ºÅ¸ÀÎ Âü»ó¿¡¼­ Çѱ¹ ±³È¸°¡ º¸Àδ٠(3) Ä¡³ë 6104 01-13
549 »ç¶÷ÀÌ ¶±À¸·Î¸¸ »ì °ÍÀÌ ¾Æ´Ï¿ä (1) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 7093 01-12
548 ¿ìµµ´Ô »ç¶û¹æ¿¡ ³î·¯°¬´Ù°¡ (28) °Å½Ã±â 8422 01-10
547 ÀÎ, ³ªÆÈ, ´ëÁ¢ Àç¾ÓÀÇ ¿¬´ë ¹®Á¦ (1) È­ÀÌÆ® 6437 01-09
546 [1/22 Àú³á7:30] ´ëÈ­¸¶´ç <ÀÏÁ¦°í»ç³í¶õ°ú °øÁ¤Åñ³À°°¨ÀÇ ±³À°Á¤Ã¥> Artizen 4370 01-09
545 ±â°¡ ¸·È÷°Å³ª, ±â°¡ Â÷°Å³ª, ±â°¡ Áװųª. (12) °Å½Ã±â 6576 01-08
544 ¸ðµç ÀǸ¦ ÀÌ·ç´Â °ÍÀÌ ÇÕ´çÇϴ϶ó (3) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 5999 01-08
543 ¼­·Î ¿ÀÇØ¿Í Â÷À̸¦ ÁÙÀÌ°íÀÚ. (3) °Å½Ã±â 4859 01-07
542 »õÇØ Ã¹³¯ ±è¼ö¿µ´ÔÀÇ ¡®Çª¸¥ ÇÏ´ÃÀ»¡¯À̶ó´Â ½Ã°¡ ¸Ó¸®¿¡¼­ ¶°³ªÁö ¾Ê´Â±º¿ä. (1) ÃÖâȣ 5046 01-01
541 "»õÇØ ¼Ò¿ø? ù°µµ µÑ°µµ 'MB ¾Æ¿ô'!" (4) ÃÖâȣ 5306 01-01
540 À±È¸ Àü»ý¿¡ ´ëÇÏ¿© (3) Á¤°ü 7805 12-30
539 ±âµ¶´çÀÇ ÇØü û¿ø ¼­¸íºÎŹµå·Á¿ä (3) ¶ó¸¶¸£¼¼¿¹¡¦ 6206 12-29
538 °æÇã¼±»ç Âü¼±°î Á¤°ü 6242 12-29
537 ¶Ç Áú¹® µå¸®³×¿ä~^^ (14) faith.Kim 7152 12-28
536 Áú¹®ÀÖ½À´Ï´Ù.^^ (4) LJH 5559 12-26
535 °¡ÀÔÀλç ^^* (7) ÃÖ½ÂÇö 5559 12-26
534 »óó¿Í ¿ë¼­ (11) ÃÖâȣ 5575 12-26
533 ÃѽŴëÇб³ ½ÅÇаú¿¡ ÀçÇÐÁßÀ̽ŠºÐ²²¼­ ¿Ã·ÁÁֽŠ»ó´ã ¹®ÀÇ¿Í ´äº¯ ³»¿ë °ü¸®ÀÚ 7390 12-24
532 ºÎÈïÁýȸ Âü°ü±â – ±³È¸´Â °¡³­ÇÑ »ç¶÷µé¿¡°Ô ÀúÁÖ (6) ¼ö¸®°í°³ 6381 12-24
531 ¿¹¼öÀÇ À̸§ ºÎ¸¥´Ù°í ´Ù õ±¹ °¡´Â °Ô ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù. (4) »õºñ 5729 12-24
530 ¾Æ´ã°ú ÇÏ¿ÍÀÇ ¼±¾Ç°ú´Â ÇöÀç ÁøÇàÇü...... (2) ¾ÆÆ®¸¸ 5693 12-19
529 º¹À½ÁÖÀÇ´Â ¾îµð¿¡¼­µµ ȯ¿µÀ» ¸ø ¹Þ´Â±º¿ä (6) ÅëÀüÀû ½Å¡¦ 5484 12-18
528 ÀÚ·á½Ç¿¡ ÀÖ´Â ¸»¼®´ÔÀÇ ´ñ±ÛÀ» ÀÚÀ¯Åä·Ð±¤ÀåÀ¸·Î ¿Å°Ü³õ½À´Ï´Ù. (7) °ü¸®ÀÚ 6014 12-17
527 "¹Ý±âµ¶±³ ¾ð·Ð ¸Â¼­ ±âµ¶±³ Á¤ÀÇ ¼¼¿ì°Ú´Ù" (2) ¸¼À½ 6046 12-14
526 ±³È¸ ´Ù´Ñ´Ù°í ´Ù õ±¹ °¡´Â °Ô ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù. (13) »õºñ 6353 12-12
525 ¡°À뱂 Áþ¹â´Â ¸ñ»ç ó¹úÇÏ°í Á¾±³ ÀÚÀ¯ º¸ÀåÇÏ¶ó¡± (1) ¸¼À½ 5069 12-09
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